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OpenID: Identity Service or Identity Platform

By Dick Hardt on December 16, 2010

At the last OpenID Foundation board meeting I gave the presentation below. I had hoped to have posted this sooner, but my dearth of video skills meant recording to video was significantly harder than creating the presentation — which was non-trivial itself. Unfortunately Joseph Smarr and I will not be on the OIDF board this year due to some confusion on when nominations ended. While I will miss being able to contribute to OpenID at the board level, I won’t miss the politics.

But back to the presentation. I have been trying to articulate my concerns with OpenID Connect, and this presentation captures my current thinking. OpenID Connect is not a user-centric architecture. It is a useful identity service, but it does not enable an identity network that could be a generative platform for new kinds of digital identity claims to be created and consumed. This is why user-centric identity is important — it enables us to create an identity platform instead of an identity service.

Is OpenID Connect the Future of Identity? Similar to Jonathan Zittrain’s book, “The Future of the Internet and How to Stop It”;  do we need to redirect identity services towards an identity platform; or forego the digital identity innovation?

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48 responses to “OpenID: Identity Service or Identity Platform”

  1. Chris Messina™
    Chris Messina™ December 16, 2010 at 11:33 pm |

    RT @jsmarr: new video of @dickhardt's inspiring talk from our last OpenID Foundation board mtg: http://dickhardt.org/2010/12/oidf-2010/

  2. Santi Casas
    Santi Casas December 16, 2010 at 11:34 pm |

    OpenID: Identity Service or Identity Platform http://is.gd/iSYgu via @DickHardt #in

  3. Dick Hardt
    Dick Hardt December 17, 2010 at 2:21 am |

    OpenID: identity service or platform. Video of my recent OIDF presentation http://dickhardt.org/2010/12/oidf-2010/

  4. Takayuki Kawamoto
    Takayuki Kawamoto December 17, 2010 at 2:33 am |

    RT @DickHardt: OpenID: identity service or platform. Video of my recent OIDF presentation http://dickhardt.org/2010/12/oidf-2010/

  5. Valeska O'Leary
    Valeska O'Leary December 17, 2010 at 2:39 am |

    RT @DickHardt: OpenID: identity service or platform. Video of my recent OIDF presentation http://dickhardt.org/2010/12/oidf-2010/

  6. . RaMoNs .
    . RaMoNs . December 17, 2010 at 3:11 am |

    RT @DickHardt: OpenID: identity service or platform. Video of my recent OIDF presentation http://dickhardt.org/2010/12/oidf-2010/

  7. Tatsuo Kudo
    Tatsuo Kudo December 17, 2010 at 3:37 am |

    RT @DickHardt: OpenID: identity service or platform. Video of my recent OIDF presentation http://dickhardt.org/2010/12/oidf-2010/

  8. Naohiro Fujie
    Naohiro Fujie December 17, 2010 at 4:29 am |

    RT @DickHardt: OpenID: identity service or platform. Video of my recent OIDF presentation http://dickhardt.org/2010/12/oidf-2010/

  9. Shinichi Tomita
    Shinichi Tomita December 17, 2010 at 4:51 am |

    RT @DickHardt: OpenID: identity service or platform. Video of my recent OIDF presentation http://dickhardt.org/2010/12/oidf-2010/

  10. Joseph Smarr
    Joseph Smarr December 17, 2010 at 5:00 am |

    new video of @dickhardt's inspiring talk from our last OpenID Foundation board mtg: http://dickhardt.org/2010/12/oidf-2010/

  11. quantenimpuls
    quantenimpuls December 17, 2010 at 6:39 am |

    RT @DickHardt: OpenID: identity service or platform. Video of my recent OIDF presentation http://dickhardt.org/2010/12/oidf-2010/

  12. Shinichi Tomita
    Shinichi Tomita December 17, 2010 at 6:53 am |

    DH師匠帰還 http://dickhardt.org/2010/12/oidf-2010/

  13. Paul Baldovin 
    Paul Baldovin  December 17, 2010 at 7:39 am |

    RT @jsmarr: new video of @dickhardt's inspiring talk from our last OpenID Foundation board mtg: http://dickhardt.org/2010/12/oidf-2010/

  14. TomWithTheWeather
    TomWithTheWeather December 17, 2010 at 8:05 am |

    RT @jsmarr: new video of @dickhardt's inspiring talk from our last OpenID Foundation board mtg: http://dickhardt.org/2010/12/oidf-2010/

  15. Sam Sethi
    Sam Sethi December 17, 2010 at 8:38 am |

    RT @jsmarr: new video of @dickhardt's inspiring talk from our last OpenID Foundation board mtg: http://dickhardt.org/2010/12/oidf-2010/

  16. Nuno Almeida e Silva
    Nuno Almeida e Silva December 17, 2010 at 9:08 am |

    RT @DickHardt: OpenID: identity service or platform. Video of my recent OIDF presentation http://dickhardt.org/2010/12/oidf-2010/

  17. Mitsuhiro Okamoto
    Mitsuhiro Okamoto December 17, 2010 at 9:22 am |

    おおおぉおお～ RT @stomita: DH師匠帰還 http://bit.ly/h6FIJO

  18. Manu Sporny
    Manu Sporny December 17, 2010 at 9:51 am |

    How to stop OpenID from sucking and how to fix identity on the Web: http://ht.ly/3qWzn Perhaps WebID: http://ht.ly/3qWLc #webid #openid

  19. Peter Vander Auwera
    Peter Vander Auwera December 17, 2010 at 9:59 am |

    OpenID: Identity Service or Identity Platform http://is.gd/iUyzP great identity stuff from Dick Hardt

  20. Olivier Desbiey
    Olivier Desbiey December 17, 2010 at 10:02 am |

    RT @petervan: OpenID: Identity Service or Identity Platform http://is.gd/iUyzP great identity stuff from Dick Hardt

  21. openid_retweeter
    openid_retweeter December 17, 2010 at 10:06 am |

    RT: RT @petervan: OpenID: Identity Service or Identity Platform http://is.gd/iUyzP great identity stuff from Dic… http://bit.ly/gL89Ez

  22. lef
    lef December 17, 2010 at 10:33 am |

    RT @stomita: DH師匠帰還 http://dickhardt.org/2010/12/oidf-2010/

  23. たつたつ
    たつたつ December 17, 2010 at 10:42 am |

    Identity 2.0 returns. RT @mitsuhiro: おおおぉおお～ RT @stomita: DH師匠帰還 http://bit.ly/h6FIJO

  24. Alexandre Monnin
    Alexandre Monnin December 17, 2010 at 10:51 am |

    RT @manusporny: How to stop OpenID from sucking and how to fix identity on the Web: http://ht.ly/3qWzn Perhaps WebID: http://ht.ly/3qWLc …

  25. openid_retweeter
    openid_retweeter December 17, 2010 at 11:07 am |

    RT: RT @manusporny: How to stop OpenID from sucking and how to fix identity on the Web: http://ht.ly/3qWzn Perha… http://bit.ly/g4GdyJ

  26. openid_retweeter
    openid_retweeter December 17, 2010 at 11:07 am |

    RT: RT @manusporny: How to stop OpenID from sucking and how to fix identity on the Web: http://ht.ly/3qWzn Perha… http://bit.ly/g4GdyJ

  27. nathan
    nathan December 17, 2010 at 11:10 am |

    RT@ssethi/@jsmarr: new video of @dickhardt's inspiring talk from our last OpenID Foundation board mtg: http://bit.ly/ik2ugz

  28. Axel Nennker
    Axel Nennker December 17, 2010 at 1:32 pm |

    RT @DickHardt: OpenID: identity service or platform. Video of my recent OIDF presentation http://dickhardt.org/2010/12/oidf-2010/

  29. Zach Bonham
    Zach Bonham December 17, 2010 at 1:58 pm |

    RT @DickHardt OpenID: identity service or platform. Video of my recent OIDF presentation http://dickhardt.org/2010/12/oidf-2010/

  30. Paul Kinlan
    Paul Kinlan December 17, 2010 at 5:53 pm |

    RT @manusporny: How to stop OpenID from sucking and how to fix identity on the Web: http://ht.ly/3qWzn Perhaps WebID: http://ht.ly/3qWLc …

  31. openid_retweeter
    openid_retweeter December 17, 2010 at 6:06 pm |

    RT: OpenID: Identity Service or Identity Platform http://is.gd/iUyzP great identity stuff from Dick Hardt: OpenI… http://bit.ly/eOHcKi

  32. Andreas Kuckartz
    Andreas Kuckartz December 17, 2010 at 6:18 pm |

    RT @manusporny: How to stop OpenID from sucking and how to fix identity on the Web: http://ht.ly/3qWzn Perhaps WebID: http://ht.ly/3qWLc …

  33. Jeff Sayre
    Jeff Sayre December 17, 2010 at 6:52 pm |

    RT @manusporny: How to stop OpenID from sucking and how to fix identity on the Web: http://ht.ly/3qWzn Perhaps WebID: http://ht.ly/3qWLc …

  34. openid_retweeter
    openid_retweeter December 17, 2010 at 7:07 pm |

    RT: RT @manusporny: How to stop OpenID from sucking and how to fix identity on the Web: http://ht.ly/3qWzn Perha… http://bit.ly/hkdl56

  35. openid_retweeter
    openid_retweeter December 17, 2010 at 7:07 pm |

    RT: RT @manusporny: How to stop OpenID from sucking and how to fix identity on the Web: http://ht.ly/3qWzn Perha… http://bit.ly/hkdl56

  36. Peter Vander Auwera
    Peter Vander Auwera December 17, 2010 at 7:16 pm |

    RT manusporny: How to stop OpenID from sucking and how to fix identity on the Web: http://ht.ly/3qWzn Perhaps WebID: http://ht.ly/3qWLc #webid #openid

  37. Luis Abreu
    Luis Abreu December 17, 2010 at 8:19 pm |

    RT manusporny: How to stop OpenID from sucking and how to fix identity on the Web: http://ht.ly/3qWzn Perhaps WebID: http://ht.ly/3qWLc #webid #openid

  38. Kingsley Uyi Idehen
    Kingsley Uyi Idehen December 17, 2010 at 9:01 pm |

    Nice #identity presentation at: http://ht.ly/3qWzn . Basically, a #WebID value prop presentation : http://ht.ly/3qWLc #WebID HT @manusporny

  39. Manu Sporny
    Manu Sporny December 19, 2010 at 3:22 pm |

    The gradual decline of Digg, Flickr and MySpace: http://ht.ly/3rwWM time to consider: http://ht.ly/3rwXq /via @jeffsayre #webid #openid

  40. openid_retweeter
    openid_retweeter December 19, 2010 at 3:32 pm |

    RT: The gradual decline of Digg, Flickr and MySpace: http://ht.ly/3rwWM time to consider: http://ht.ly/3rwXq /vi… http://bit.ly/eIgAm3

  41. Felipe Campana
    Felipe Campana December 19, 2010 at 4:33 pm |

    RT @openidretweeter RT: The gradual decline of Digg, Flickr and MySpace: http://ht.ly/3rwWM time to consider: http://ht.ly/3rwXq

  42. Jeremy Llewellyn
    Jeremy Llewellyn December 21, 2010 at 5:12 am |

    RT @jsmarr: new video of @dickhardt's inspiring talk from our last OpenID Foundation board mtg: http://dickhardt.org/2010/12/oidf-2010/

  43. Flowing Your Identity Through the Social Web
    Flowing Your Identity Through the Social Web December 22, 2010 at 7:35 am |

    [...] An interesting six-minute video presentation graphically discussing the issues with OpenID: OpenID: Identity Service or Identity Platform [...]

  44. R Girish Karthik
    R Girish Karthik December 23, 2010 at 4:45 am |

    RT @jsmarr: new video of @dickhardt's inspiring talk from our last OpenID Foundation board mtg: http://dickhardt.org/2010/12/oidf-2010/

  45. Eric Herberholz
    Eric Herberholz January 29, 2011 at 3:53 am |

    RT @dickhardt: OpenID: Identity Service or Identity Platform http://bit.ly/fIxUGN

  46. Eric Herberholz
    Eric Herberholz January 29, 2011 at 11:55 am |

    To all I've recommended @dickhardt's Identity 2.0 presentation, watch: OpenID: Identity Service or Identity Platform http://bit.ly/fIxUGN

  47. François
    François May 10, 2011 at 3:22 pm |

    Hi Dick,

    I wonder how do you imagine trust going in your user centric vision. If you can get your attributes from anywhere and give them to any site, then, as you said, you don't need trust between the user and the attribute issuer and between the user and the service but between the issuer and the consumer.

    Do you envision all services must trust all potential issuers or do you see a world where each service will trust only a few issuers and will ask you to get your attributes from them?

    Regards

  48. Joe Varrasso
    Joe Varrasso November 27, 2011 at 9:07 am |

    RT @dickhardt: OpenID: Identity Service or Identity Platform http://t.co/y651s925